At Gencon I found myself at a strange place. I am certainly a huge fan of Wyrd, but was
disappointed with their releases.
Expecting a fair chunk more given the initial estimates of 70-80% of their
line, I was hoping for more than just Jakob to play with.
At the same time, Privateer Press had some very
interesting products. I hadn’t been
following them closely, so I didn’t know much of what would be out. I knew Level 7 would be there, as would the
IK RPG. I managed to get the former, and
got to play the latter.
As a result of my waning interest in Wyrd’s products, and
my being impressed with Privateer Press’s, I started thinking I wanted to play
some more Warmachine. Conveniently, our
local Press Ganger was running an event this past weekend for smaller-scale
Warmachine armies (35 points) to just come to the store and play a lot. I dusted off my Cygnar and brought it out to
the table.
I managed to get three games in, each one quite different
from the others. I’m not going to go
through a blow-by-blow of the games (mostly because I don’t know the rules well
enough to know what was happening) but I’ll give some overall general
impressions.
The first thing I noticed when pulling out a list in my
first game was that the game is a lot bigger than I remember it. I haven’t played the game really since back
in MK1 days. I used to have a hard time
putting together a list because I found myself having to cut and get my list
down under the points. Now I found
myself tossing in more stuff because I had plenty of space in my list size.
Another thing I quickly learned was that I knew very
little about some basic rules. Unit
cohesion, squad leaders, morale checks all worked a bit differently than
before. It wasn’t really a big deal – my
opponents were pretty open to helping me out with my gaps in knowledge, but I
could tell just how much my decisions were hampered by things I didn’t know.
Two of my games ended very similarly. In one of them, my opponent popped his feat,
rushed his models through my army without me being able to stop him, and plowed
into my caster. Luck was on my side and
I managed to survive with one wound remaining, but I wasn’t able to turn the
tables on him the next turn and he finished me off. The other game, I had my wall of jacks in
between me and my opponent, but he managed to get his warlock jumping over my
jacks, engaged with my caster, and took me from full-to-dead in one hit, then
moved back to safety to face other opponents.
Both of the games were good lessons, reminding me how
little I knew about the game anymore. My
brain is currently set to a Malifaux-style of play rather than a Warmachine
style of play. I found myself looking at
the board and trying to control area on the board rather than looking directly
for an assassination run. I got caught
flat-footed and died both times due to it.
My other game went a bit differently. I found myself on the wrong side of a very
good opponent who spent the game locking me down but keeping me alive so he
could win the game and get the most objective points for the day’s event. I learned a bit there, and managed to nearly
deliver a killing blow earlier on in the game (one wound short, just like had been
done to me), but pretty quickly he had me in a position where I could not do
anything back.
At the end of the day, I had to look back at my games and
consider what my plan was with Warmachine.
I recognize that most of my failings came from not knowing the rules and
models, neither the ones I was playing with nor the ones I was playing
against. I came to the question of whether
I would want to spend the time filling in those gaps.
I would enjoy continuing Warmachine, I don’t doubt. I would go through a period of painful
defeats while I learned what things did on the board, but I don’t doubt I would
end up a pretty good Warmachine player once more.
But I have already spent the time learning the same from
Malifaux, a game I already do enjoy.
An interesting point I found was that what I hear as
complaints about Malifaux – that there are abilities that are too powerful or
the game is too broken – were things I could see someone else saying about Warmachine
having walked away with my experiences.
In all three games, a warcaster/warlock was killed or knocked down to 1
life from full in a single round. In one
of the games, I was effectively locked down to the point where the last
half-hour of the game felt as frustrating as I’m sure some early Malifaux games
feel for others.
What I came away with was that there was very little difference
between the two games in that area. Both
games have super-powered abilities and models.
That’s kinda the point of them. It’s
the other areas that you have to determine which of the two you favor.
Warmachine is based around setting up full turns of all
your models working together. It has a
single prize that you need to keep your eye on.
The groups are larger and terrain is less important.
Malifaux requires you to spend more time reacting to the changing
battle since your opponent almost always has a chance to react to your
combinations. You have to keep track of
a half dozen different objectives throughout the game. There are fewer models on the table.
Both require an investment of time and patience to learn
to play well. Both are great games.
I’ve spent the time learning Malifaux, and I still enjoy
it. I prefer the size and objectives of
Malifaux to those of Warmachine. My
brief weekend with Warmachine was fun, but I’m ready to put it back on the
shelf and re-devote myself to Malifaux.



This has to be one of the better blog posts I've read talking about comparing two game systems.
ReplyDeleteIn the relatively early days of WM&H it was alwasy WFB/40k that was the counterparty and quite simply the two don't really compare well, they're simply different styles of game. WM&H has a key objective to the game but WFB has no objective other than killing more points than you get killed. So the games are utterly different.
Malifaux is a far closer comparison to H&WM because of the abilties and interactions but the objectives are hugely different. Plus the 'I go, you go' turn sequence completely changes the playstyle.
All of them are ultimately about strategy and table management, in any game if you throw a unit forward in a stupid place you can expect it to die for no gain.
I'm a massive WFB and Malifaux fan and only recently have started to dip my toe into WM&H. They each provide a different experience for me and I enjoy all 3 but don't play any of them to a great proficiency.
Thanks for the kind words, Dave. After hearing a lot of people from both sides of the table talking about how terrible one game was or the other, I expected to find a lot more different about them, but that simply wasn't the case. And in the end, the game that I will continue playing is the game that has the momentum behind it for me. I have played over three years of Malifaux now, really know it well, and really enjoy it.
ReplyDeleteThis weekend was actually really good for me to help stop burnout. I was starting to feel a little down on Malifaux since Gencon, and was looking for other things to do. Getting a day in of Warmachine helped me in two ways: it reminded me what I like about Malifaux, and it removed the "what if Warmachine is better for me" question from my mind.
I don't doubt that if the tables were opposite and I had been playing Warmachine all this time, I would be sticking with Warmachine. It was a very fun game in the past, and I can see the good parts of it.
We can play a smaller game tonight and help you get back the basic rules and gameplay. Starting at 35 when you havent played in so long hurts. Also, being a competition blood was going to be shed.
ReplyDeleteI may have to take you up on that, Convy. Maybe we can do a re-intro game of Warmachine and then a re-intro game of Malifaux. What do you say? :)
ReplyDeleteBURN THE HERETIC ...
ReplyDeleteOh wait we aren't talking about a GW game here. It is funny, I like warmachine for all the reasons you decided you didn't want to refocus on it. The army sizes, the single objective, the unit mechanic, etc. Malifaux has a great story behind it and skirmish games can be very appealing (I am looking forward to Relic Knights for this reason) however it just does not scratch the war-gaming itch for me.
Glad I could provide a venue for you to do something different and recharge.
Ha! Yeah, after playing Warmachine again, I still think it's a really good game. Just not really what I'm looking for in a miniatures game. When I started Warmachine, it was just releasing the second book, so it was easy to learn everything out there and keep up with the new releases. The game started closer to the skirmish size than the army size.
ReplyDeleteI tried 40k briefly but didn't like it much. The army sizes were a bit much to deal with.
Malifaux I was able to get in on the ground floor again and keep up with all the models as they came out. It's remained a skirmish size throughout, which is helping maintain my interest, I think.
Someday Malifaux will fall by the wayside and I think at that point I'll be looking for the next ground-floor skirmish game to start up.